A DMT Theory of War and Upheaval

With John Horgan


A few days ago, still in Russia, sitting in the empty room of my recently deceased grandmother, I called up my friend John Horgan, and we spent an hour talking about quantum physics, the nature of reality, being in Russia, the war, the creative process, and, in this clip, about my DMT-inspired theory of war and upheaval.

“Theory” might be too strong a word—it was a half-forgotten thought I’d had while falling asleep, which suddenly re-emerged during our conversation.

Laying in my bed the night before, I had remembered a DMT trip from a few years back, which stood out from others in that it was the only time I got angry and even combative towards the entities I encountered in the hyperspace.

Their reality seemed to be parallel to mine: I could see it and how closely connected it was to mine—everything in my world was somehow reflected in theirs—but I could not reach it, could not intervene.

And I wanted to intervene because I got a sense that what I was going through—perhaps, what all of us go through in this life every day—was only a by-product, a side-show to something they were engaged in.

One way to put it could be: the entities I saw were extracting experience from existence, and they were doing it through me—my feelings, thoughts, struggles, attempts to understand what was going on and what I was to do with it, and then my attempts to live up to this understanding—all of this seemed almost epiphenomenal to this extraction process they were carrying out calmly and quietly.

It’s as if the thing that’s really going on is this impersonal, hidden process of extortion and refinement of some kind of a mental resource; and the sense we have of being a human in a world, with biographies, and relationships, and choices to make just happens to be a part of the technological process—something like the play of the shadows generated by a campfire, which was made to generate heat.

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